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Quote Foolsgold Replybullet Posted: 27 Jan 2013 at 11:30pm
Guys it's too bad you didn't come to our rules meeting because we genuinely tried to figure out which combinations would be competative together.  We were trying to keep this to about an 800 hp class that is why we limit the tire size to 33".  Yes the RHS heads with a lot of work and moving the dowl pins etc. will make a 6400 caliber truck. That's the whole point of the 33" tire so if you build it you can't get it the ground. There were three ways we knew of to keep the HP down and they were, a weak spot in the drive train like a 1350 U joint in the rear, a small tire, or limit the motor.  The easiest thing to control was the tire size.
We talked to a couple different motor builders and they indicated they could make 800+ HP with a cobra jet head and 505 cubic inches. The EX514's are $7000-$8000 for a set and everyone that has a good running truck that is using them has to have really big cubes to make good use out of them. Based on those facts it didn't seem feasible to allow them in the class since the trucks that have them wouldn't generally make the cubic inch limit anyway. Not saying we were right or wrong but the vacuum pumps seemed to be a better compromise.
What I don't understand is there is a class where they are allowed along with welded rears, hydraulic steering etc. but people don't want to run in that class. Why not???  If you're making 950 HP plus why in the world would you want to be in this class??? As for Delton and Xtreme Chevy we should set down and talk because there are some small block combinations that would make about 800HP that we could possibly consider. At least then you know what you're pulling against. We are genuinely trying to look out for the sport and the class and are not trying to make it one sided or keep people out. The only real arguement here is more open pulls than class pulls makes it harder for us to grow or survive.  Remember the diesels and what happened when they went to RWB. The classes went for 8-10 trucks down to 2. There are several people waiting in the wings for these open classes where they can put something you haven't even considered together and come put the smackdown on the group. If you think I'm kidding just wait and see.

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Quote Temple DMP Replybullet Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 8:17am
  I think the 6200 Altered rule committee has done a good job opening the class up to allow the Interstate trucks to run at our events. Im sure most people that pull can find a set of 33 inch tires laying around.
The new rules have been posted on our website if you have not seen them.


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Quote 6.7cummins Replybullet Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 8:56pm
Foolsgold:
Rwb diesel had at least 10 pullers at almost every event I attended this past year. Some events had more than 20. I understand your logic but please don't throw us under the bus. If we made a set of rules that were more restrictive we would most certainly lose attendance in the class ( as of right now, this might change in the future).

That said I am also a fan of your class and many others. And realize the steps you guys have taken to include others and further the sport.

Edited by 6.7cummins - 28 Jan 2013 at 8:58pm
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Quote tenforty_2 Replybullet Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 2:54pm

I was not able to attend the last 6200 AS meeting, but I spoke to most committee members prior to the meeting and shared my concerns regarding the future of our class if certain changes did not take place.  I commend them for their efforts, but more work needs to be done.

 

The biggest obstacle in this class is the cylinder head rule!  Essentially it eliminates every manufacture from a fair chance at being competitive without spending gobs of money except GM!  The class requires an iron cylinder head!  That leaves the Ford guys with three options:

 

1.       40+ year old factory heads.  The most desirable CJ heads are nearly impossible to find and cost almost double that of comparable aluminum heads to prepare for a race ready engine.  “They will support 800 HP”.  Well so will some of the factory GM heads, but I don’t know of anyone in the 6200 class using them!  Why?  Because the RHS heads are available, better, flow more air and produce more HP!

2.       Blue Thunder iron heads.  Last produced in the early 90’s with very limited production and extremely difficult to find in used form.  They are a “better option” than factory, but won’t come close to flowing 450 CFM like the RHS BBC head.  This is a 2nd place head J.

3.       EX514.  Not legal in the class.  Contrary to popular belief, it IS the only iron head that comes close to the RHS.  Max effort porting results in mid 450 flow with 800-900 HP averages (just like the RHS).  If this head was legal you would never see it in our class.  It’s no longer in production and the average cost of a used set is around $6- $8000.  I only know of two trucks in the region that run them and you would never see them driving 3-4 hours to compete with us. 

 

Why is the cylinder head rule such a big deal?  Take a look at the current 6200 rules and compare them to the old 6300 rules.  Look familiar?  What happen to the 6300 class?  Ask any former member of that group and they will tell you that the class went too long without the needed changes to attract more trucks.  With Jerry Smith being the exception, if you didn’t have an RHS headed BBC you didn’t stand a chance in that class!  They added the EX514 head as an option (2010 or 11??), but for reasons I stated above the class never saw a Ford with those heads.  The class ended up with four trucks competing against each other and that is not something a promoter will invite to an event.  How much entertainment is it for the fans to watch a class of 4-5 trucks of the same make compete?  In my opinion and the opinion of many others that I have spoken to, the cylinder head rule in this class was a huge factor in its demise. 

 

I hate to see the  open class being promoted by DMP, but I fully understand why.  Does a promoter want a class with 4-5 trucks of the same make or a class of 20+ with all makes and models?  The more successful in producing numbers the open class is the faster the altered street class will come to an end!

 

The 6200 class will have to become more divers to survive and the first step should be to revisit the cylinder head rule.  I honestly think that the committee would have considered changes this year if they would have been provided with some up to date specific examples of what options are available.  I will take part of the blame!  I could have provided them with some information as easy as anyone else. 

 

If I can run a Blue Thunder iron head then why can’t a guy run the same head in aluminum?  Aluminum heads are available and cheaper!  Several aluminum heads are available for the BBF that closely match the capabilities of the RHS.  Sit down and match up what products are comparable and available for all manufactures.  Look at the results of events that have blended trucks together.  The Southern Showdown Open Class was a great example of just how the DMP 6200 Altered Street class stacks up against other competition.  The RHS iron heads on the 1st & 2nd place trucks seem to do pretty well against EX514 & other Ford aluminum headed trucks! 

 

Provide some options to the small block trucks (more weight, hitch height, bigger tires, aluminum heads) whatever it takes to give them a fair chance.  Whatever it takes to get more trucks in the class!  Every organization in the country is dealing with the same stuff.  Regional committees with the NTPA have made similar suggestions in recent years to combine classes with specific rules applying to different trucks within the class to “increase numbers in the class” (Super Modified 4x4 Truck Class).  We are not alone!

 

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Quote 4speed Replybullet Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 7:45pm
Kirk, your statement is very well thought out & professionally stated, & I commend you for it!
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Quote John Replybullet Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 1:47pm
 Very well written. I understand it better. 
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Quote Ole Goat Replybullet Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 6:24pm
I agree as well!!! Why should the Fords be handicapped! Any cast iron head should have been the rule in the beginning.
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Quote John Replybullet Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 11:14pm

Where's the last post Bob. Go with the rules that have been set by the meeting. I don't think that it needs to be changed now, just because of the open class discussion. Take a look at it next year.

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Quote Play Dirty Replybullet Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 10:12am
All this talk looks awfull familiar through the past years.  I have been there and done this before......lol lolLOLLOL   I have been shot down plenty when we got talkn about the fords being handy cap thats for sure.  well I hope it can all be worked out so I will know rather its worth building another truck for the alt. street class.
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